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Texas Redefines Education and Taxes with Genevieve Collins on the Biggest Policy Wins of 2025

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Rey Treviño III [00:00:00] I’m so excited Genevieve Collins, Director of Americans for Prosperity Texas is on this episode of The Crude Truth.

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Rey Treviño III [00:01:27] Well, thank you again for tuning into another episode of The Crude Truth. We’re back here again in Austin and it’s just such a fitting place for my guest who I’ve always had on at the Dallas location but she is here right now fighting a huge fight for what you would call school choice which actually just was passed. I wanna talk about that. She’s also fighting on a few more bills. As I said in our intro, our guest today is the director of Americans for Prosperity here in Texas, Genevieve Collins. Genevieve, how are you?

Genevieve Collins [00:02:02] I’m great, thank you for having me.

Rey Treviño III [00:02:04] Thank you, and I’d have to say, my hands are just so, congratulations. Thank you. You are, just your whole story and you, what do you do?

Genevieve Collins [00:02:16] So I’m pregnant. Yes. I’m due July 4th. So we, I know, right? Only in God’s timing would I be due on July 4. But I’m like, our little son is going to be a patriot baby. He’s going to come out, pew, pew. You know? My husband is like, oh, God. But yeah, we’re eight and a half months pregnant and on the downhill.

Rey Treviño III [00:02:40] I just want to say this. We could do a whole episode about that. And so I just wanna say again, congratulations. The people that know you are so happy, excuse me, so happy for you. So congratulations. And so, I’m excited for you, but you’ve been kicking ass here at the legislative, here in Austin since January. American’s prosperity has had They’re a handful. Getting across probably this session’s biggest bill if not for the entire session, at least up until now, school choice. Before we go on to highlight all the victories, I really wanna dive into school choice, what does that mean? Do we now get to just go where we want or what?

Genevieve Collins [00:03:34] So I would say this is school choice has been a 40 year crusade in the state of Texas and it’s really kind of the last big republican super majority state that has not passed some form of students being able to go to the school that best fits their needs. Well that has changed this year. The governor was really intentional last year around finding better candidates. To that support school choice and specifically support a program called education savings accounts. It’s basically like a financial tool that allows basically $10,000 to follow a student to the school that best meets their needs, i.e. The school of their choice. And so we have been involved at Americans for Prosperity since I started, which is four and a half years ago. And my family has been involved in this for actually five generations, this policy. Okay. And which we can dive into tangentially or separately. But what we really did was ensure a couple big things. One, that every family has a voice and that their voice matters. So with school choice and specifically what we passed on SB2, Senate Bill 2, it’s a universal education savings account. So it actually allows for your tax dollars to follow your child instead of your tax dollars just going directly to the school or the school district assigned to the student. So universal and statute means that over time, hopefully we can expand our program to have more students be able to pick the school of their choice. But from the jump, Texas has funded, Texas has implemented into law the largest school choice program in American history. Whoa. So we funded a billion dollars to create this program that will enable basically 100,000 students who are prioritized in eligibility like this, students with disabilities, students in low income families, which are families $62,000. Or that make $62,500 or less for a family of four and the middle income families, which are about $150,000 for a families of four. It prioritizes those students and 100,000 of those kids are gonna be able to get, oh, and homeschool students, I apologize. And 100,00 students will be able to choose the school that best meets their needs starting school year 2026.

Rey Treviño III [00:06:16] Are they going to like have to obviously apply to be one of these 100,000?

Genevieve Collins [00:06:22] Yeah, so the Comptroller, which is basically our state’s chief financial officer, is going to administer the program. So if a parent has to apply for their child, and we’re still in the rulemaking process, we passed the bill, but now there’s a whole lot of details that need to be sorted out. Yeah. But that’s okay. So the CompTroller is going to administer that program, but if I’m your parent, I will apply for you and I will have a menu of options to choose from. So I can direct the dollars that the comptroller will send on my behalf to a private school, public school, charter school, all sorts of different accredited schools. Most will start off as private schools. We’ll get like Catholic schools or I mean there’s thousands of private schools around the state of Texas and the average tuition for a private across the state of Texas is about $8,000. But this program with an education savings account will pay for tuition, tutoring, behavioral therapy, so students with special needs.

Rey Treviño III [00:07:30] Oh, that’s

Genevieve Collins [00:07:31] Can absolutely can have up to $30,000 to be able to pay for their needs. So behavioral therapies or any type of therapies, uniforms, transportation, curriculum for homeschool. So it’s really an all encompassing bill that I like to say really puts the child at the center of the conversation, which is exactly what education should be. We should be funding students and not systems. And when we talk, when we are solely focused. Doing what’s best for children, the outcomes always follow and children soar and their futures soar.

Rey Treviño III [00:08:07] You know, do you think this will motivate school districts to like level up?

Genevieve Collins [00:08:14] That’s the hope. That’s what we’ve seen. So fortunately, we have historical data from a number of other states. Florida passed school choice 25 years ago. Under Governor Jeb Bush, they were the first state to really implement school choice. Now, there’s 32 other states that have implemented some form of school choice since 2000, even including Maine. Or what you would consider some of the other blue states, they still have some forms of school choice. Texas now joins their ranks. And what we see is that when there’s more education entrepreneurs.

Rey Treviño III [00:08:51] Okay.

Genevieve Collins [00:08:52] You know, folks that open schools, folks that are really focused on a specific niche in maybe it’s career training, CTE education, or like focusing on agriculture, focusing on oil and gas, or focusing on, you know STEM. We see that competition is a good thing and that the school districts actually end up improving as well because they’re competing for the same student. And no longer are you competing for dollars, which is kind of what the equation has been. You’re competing for those dollars. Now you’re competing to give that child the best education.

Rey Treviño III [00:09:31] Right. No, yeah, we could definitely go into the actual education part, but that is very neat that if a child has already an idea of what they want to do, like if that school district’s got the STEM, the science and technology part down, then hey, they probably want to go there. Right. Which is really no different than college, right? It’s like, oh, I think my youngest brother had a full ride to a small school cycling, but they didn’t have no engineering. And he was like, well, I’m not going there. You know, and so that was a cool choice.

Genevieve Collins [00:10:04] There you go. Why can we have it in college, but we can’t have it in our K through 12 environment? Yes. So that’s no longer a barrier here in Texas.

Rey Treviño III [00:10:13] Now, you also said this is going to also, so this $10,000 credit, it will also go to the private schools.

Genevieve Collins [00:10:21] So it does go to private schools. It’s not going directly to public schools. It’s going to private school, charter schools, micro schools, any other type of accredited school in the state of Texas. So it’s not just public schools

Rey Treviño III [00:10:35] It’s not just, okay, so you can go from one school district to another one. You could. You could, but you can’t go from public school to private school with this. Exactly. Okay, that’s what I wanted to know. Okay, huh. Well, that is pretty neat.

Genevieve Collins [00:10:49] It is and what’s been really fun is it’s been a long slog to be honest here in the Capitol, but what’s really fun to see is how many members of the legislature have really grown to understand the concept of school choice and have really taken it on as how do we empower families and empower children. So just to kind of set some context, from a policy perspective, In 2021, there were 29 state reps who voted for school choice. So that’s four years ago now. So of 150 members, 29 voted for School Choice. In 2023, that number went from 29 yes votes to 65 yes votes. Well, in order to pass the bill, you have to have 76 votes. That’s half of the legislature. So the bill still failed. But that’s a huge jump, 29 to 65. Well, now, 2023, we had 65 to 2025. We had 86 yes votes. And watching the legislature become more educated and engaged, working with our group, like Americans for Prosperity, and some of our partners, like the Texas Public Policy Foundation, we really connected legislators with people in their communities. We made the issue personal because it is about kids. It’s about families and helping them see that this is not a false choice of choosing, it’s either public schools versus private schools. It’s not about that. It’s what’s in the best interest of the child. And then how do we make sure that that child is successful, regardless of the four walls with which a student is within. It was, I mean, we had a lot of battles. Right. But let, you know, from the political side, we had to, I would say, I’d kindly say forcibly retire some obstinate legislators in 2024. They lost their seats to pro-school choice candidates and then helped make sure that the legislature this year that they kind of stayed rallied together. Because keeping 86 kittens in the same caboodle is not an easy thing.

Rey Treviño III [00:13:13] Right, right. And, you know, you guys at American’s Frost Parity’s ground game, on that side of things, that’s not what I would want to talk about today. For those out there, they’re out there pounding the streets like up until election day, really trying to get the candidates that they support across the finish line. So you guys have been on a winning, I’m going to call it streak, but it’s knock on wood. But Genevieve, I want to do it to highlight you and the success since you’ve been there. So two years ago, y’all got about 10 bills passed. And last time, if I recall, we were talking to a pre-meeting, it was in health care was the big one last time and you were sitting right next to Greg Abbott. That was huge. And now you’ve done school choice, which again, I mean, I don’t keep up as much as I should. I mean I call you if I got a problem, if i got a question, right? But I don t know if anything else that’s going to be that big this year. And so. That being said, you know, can you just highlight some of the things that y’all did get over the finish line in 2023 session? Just, just to highlight them.

Genevieve Collins [00:14:29] So we got a bunch done on property tax relief. So the legislature passed an $18 billion, that’s billion with a B, $18-billion property tax-relief package, which was supposed to help lower the cost of property taxes for Texans. That’s a really transformative policy, right? It increased our homestead exemption while decreasing the caps or putting caps on what appraisal districts Can increase our property taxes on them. So that was a big one. We also passed price transparency bills, a number of healthcare price transparency bills. Why do you go to a restaurant and you can see the prices for a steak and potatoes, but you go your doctor and you don’t know how much a knee surgery is going to cost? Why is that? Or an MRI? So patients are purposefully uninformed. On pricing and therefore they cannot shop to find a price that best meets their needs while also being able to get the services and the care that they need. So those are two examples. What else did we get done? We supported a bunch of border policy in 2023. That was a crazy time. How much the world has changed in one year. Let me rephrase, excuse me, in six months on border policy.

Rey Treviño III [00:15:54] Is it not crazy?

Genevieve Collins [00:15:56] Yeah, it is crazy.

Rey Treviño III [00:15:57] I mean, I had a chance to have on a George P. Bush, like right at Trumpers 100 days. Yeah. And it blows my mind. The whole thing. I mean, that’s a whole other thing. Again, that is another podcast. That is a whole another thing right there. But you guys were right there, you were on the board two years ago.

Genevieve Collins [00:16:17] We were doing border tours. We were bringing people from all across the country to see the Rio Grande River. They were like, oh my gosh, can I put my feet in it? And I’m like, I mean, you can. I don’t want, I wouldn’t, but you know. But anyways, we did a lot on, we, we touch all taxpayer issues. And that’s kind of what I like to say is like Americans for Prosperity. When you look at us as an organization. We’re not just a grassroots organization. We’re a policy organization that focuses on protecting the taxpayer and being their champion. I would say we had a great session and I can’t even remember all the stuff that we did in 2013. Yes, I know, I now, I knew. But this year, I think we’re gonna have the most transformational session for the state of Texas that I have ever seen.

Rey Treviño III [00:17:07] Well, okay, let’s talk about that. You mentioned that you did some great things with property taxes back in 23, but y’all are working on even more for this session. What else are you working on?

Genevieve Collins [00:17:18] Okay, so there’s this big belief.

Rey Treviño III [00:17:21] I thought you were about to say a big beautiful bell.

Genevieve Collins [00:17:23] I know, unfortunately, but there’s this belief that there’s two kinds of ways you can attack property taxes. One is through relief, and one is through reform. Okay, so relief is the legislature appropriating $18 billion to pay down your property taxes, reform is actually looking at all of the little financial tools that can be manipulated. At a state or local level and say that increase your taxes. So how do we look at something like certificates of obligation? I didn’t even know what this was until like two years ago, but this is a financial tool that every city or county has at their disposal. It’s for emergency purposes that they can pass, they can past a big package of debt over to fund whatever they need. To cure an emergency situation. Think of like hurricane damage, tornado damage, things like that. Well, that makes sense. But what’s actually happening across cities and cities like El Paso, for example, is that the county commissioners are passing over $1.2 billion worth of non-voter approved debt to build stadiums, to build a water park, to expand a hospital. Well, all of those could be good. They’re not necessarily emergency situations. And then if you think about that, if you thing about El Paso where the median income is about $55,000 per family. So the people that can afford these tax increases the least are getting taxed more and they don’t even have a say in their taxation. I think we fought a war about no taxation without representation. And if you cannot vote on these various types of taxes, that’s not how our country is set up. Oh my gosh. And that’s happening across the state. And that just one example. Bonds, bond elections happen all the time. They’re usually, you know, billion dollar packages.

Rey Treviño III [00:19:41] Now it is, yeah.

Genevieve Collins [00:19:41] I mean, to read it, you need a law degree and a master’s and professorship in law in order to understand what the heck you’re even voting on.

Rey Treviño III [00:19:52] Yes, I think I almost called you last about a bond, like, is this a good bond or a bad bond the way the way that they’re written?

Genevieve Collins [00:19:59] Well, what bonds are doing, it’s not that they’re bad.

Rey Treviño III [00:20:03] Well, no, I’m sorry. No, no. Do you support this bond or not? I’m not asking you if I support it. Explain it to me.

Genevieve Collins [00:20:09] Yeah. Well, no, but it’s the fact that bonds are passing on more debt to the constituents, and that debt goes to increasing your property taxes. So reform is really about looking at all of these different tools, tax anticipation notes, certificates of obligation, bond elections, making sure that in the language of a… Of a bond, it says this is a tax increase. No one knows. And so reform is really about making sure that those financial tools are appropriately used and are not, and that constituents, I almost said consumers, that constituents are not always having their taxes increased, especially when the state’s trying to decrease their taxes with relief, but that relief is not realized in the tax bill.

Rey Treviño III [00:21:04] Well, you know, you talk about that.

Genevieve Collins [00:21:05] I know that was really wonky.

Rey Treviño III [00:21:06] No, no, no. But it helps, you know, because obviously, people are going to always are, you know, we’ve touched on several things today. And I just want to make this point to everybody out there that it’s a whole podcast on its own. You know, Property Tax is a whole podcast right on its on. But if we can figure out ways to lower it, because it does continue to go up. Right. But also what it sounds like we’re doing, and especially at Americans for Prosperity is we are using our surplus as best we can. We had another huge surplus again, is that correct? That is. And are you seeing, I’m just kind of coming out of left field, are you seeing us use that surplus for pretty good reasons and things like that as we continue on this legislation session?

Genevieve Collins [00:21:53] I have a bit of a heartache.

Rey Treviño III [00:21:54] Oh, come on, bring it on.

Genevieve Collins [00:21:56] When we have, so we have a $24 billion surplus, billion with a B.

Rey Treviño III [00:22:02] Oil and gas paid $24 billion in taxes last year.

Genevieve Collins [00:22:05] Correct. So my personal perspective is that if we continue to have these incredibly large surpluses, we’re overtaxing our state. We’re over-tax our citizens and we’re over-taxing our businesses.

Rey Treviño III [00:22:22] Ooooooooooooooo

Genevieve Collins [00:22:24] I know, right? A little bit of a hot take, but if we’re really being honest about truth and taxation, great, we have a surplus. We celebrate that as if it’s a good thing, but the reality is we are overtaxing our citizens and certainly overtaxiing the oil and gas industry and who pays for all of it, no less, but I think that we need to really recalibrate our state budget. To tax what’s appropriate, not just continually tax our citizens.

Rey Treviño III [00:22:59] Man, okay, look at that hot take. I mean, you’re absolutely right. I mean, you’re absolutely right.

Genevieve Collins [00:23:03] Your face is like, wow, I was not expecting that. I love it.

Rey Treviño III [00:23:05] I love it, but it makes sense. I mean, it really, really does. With you guys, a session supposed to end when?

Genevieve Collins [00:23:15] June 2nd.

Rey Treviño III [00:23:16] June 2.

Genevieve Collins [00:23:17] Can’t be here, get here soon enough.

Rey Treviño III [00:23:18] So are they thinking it’s going to go special session?

Genevieve Collins [00:23:21] No, actually, I don’t think that everything that I’ve been hearing and I work directly with a bunch of people in the governor’s team and the speaker’s team, lieutenant governor’s team like, you know, the three of them, we call them the big three, they’re they have breakfast once or twice a week that that has never happened since I’ve been involved in politics. They have breakfast at the governor mansion every Wednesday, and they are moving through the agenda. In my opinion, I wish we could have moved a little faster, but that’s because I also have no patients and I have one speed, which is go. But we’re moving through very quickly and I think we still have a lot to get done. America’s for Prosperity, we’re working on a bunch of housing policy. We’ve got two healthcare, big transformative healthcare bills up this week.

Rey Treviño III [00:24:18] Yes, let’s talk about those, yes. Healthcare bill. Let’s that blew my mind. What are you trying to what? What are you trying to actually get legalized taxes?

Genevieve Collins [00:24:25] So, Chairman James Frank, he’s from Wichita Falls, he has a House Bill 897, and his bill says that if you are a veteran or were in the military and practiced medicine in the military on our service members, you should be able to legally be in medicine here, practice medicine in state of Texas.

Rey Treviño III [00:24:48] Right.

Genevieve Collins [00:24:49] So you’re telling me that right now a combat veteran or a doctor who, you know, used who was a military, who was a doctor in the army, for example, who is on the battlefield, taking care of our soldiers, that that experience is not does not equate to enough to get you to be able to practice in the state of Texas? I can’t.

Rey Treviño III [00:25:11] I can’t believe that.

Genevieve Collins [00:25:12] Isn’t that bananas? That is.

Rey Treviño III [00:25:13] That is. Yeah.

Genevieve Collins [00:25:15] So, this bill changes the licensing requirements and allows our veterans, allows our military folks to be able to get out of the military and immediately practice medicine.

Rey Treviño III [00:25:29] That again, another whole episode, but I mean, that just makes no sense. Like, okay, so I bet there’d be one heck of an ER doctor or an emergency room doctor because you know, of this and that and oh man, and you got to have the nerves of steel. My son had to, he cut his eyebrow and the lady that sewed him up while he’s there, oh, it was tough. But we had to hold him down and, you know hold his head and, but she just nerves to steal this as if. Nothing’s going on. That’s what I picture a military doctor would be like, you know, mash and oh, hurry up, just give me that, right? But that, I cannot believe that you’re having to change the verbiage or a law to allow that to happen. I can’t either. And that just shows where we are with our veterans. I mean, again, another episode, but so that’s huge.

Genevieve Collins [00:26:25] That is so really excited. That’s already made its way to the governor’s desk. And that’s just going to be a real celebration and I think a recognition of our veterans and their sacrifices and honoring what they have done and how they practice serving our country.

Rey Treviño III [00:26:42] Yes. Yes. Oh, that’s going to be a good one. That’ll definitely be a good one on a national front. Are you all looking at anything right now?

Genevieve Collins [00:26:51] At the federal level, we are very focused on helping Congress pass the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. Yes. Reauthorize passing the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, good news. It’s making its way through the House. It’s gone through all sorts of different iterations. I think that the bill will go to the Senate this week. But basically, our point of view is that the 2017 Trump tax cuts were a great thing for America. It not only lowered taxes across every income level, it spurred a tremendous amount of economic growth, it enhanced our business sector, our corporate sector, by giving them certainty and tax advantages that allowed them to go hire more people and increase employment. So we see that as a net positive thing. I mean I recall the roaring economy right up until the pandemic which was a wild thing that we’ve all experienced global shared experience but up until then I mean our economy was growing GDP was the highest it had been in 20 years so that’s a net good thing for America then we had transitioned to a different president and under the Biden policies we had soaring inflation We’ve had unbelievable spending. What I would call reckless spending on a lot of subsidized industries. So our point of view at Americans for Prosperity. The government shouldn’t be tipping their hand or putting their thumb on the scale for which industries are winners and losers. That’s for the market to decide. We don’t need to subsidize a ton of green energy practices. Texas has already proved that that model works. We don’t need to subsidies any extra, right? So anyways, all that being said, we need to strip out a bunch of those bad era. Monetary and tax policies. And so we’re really focused on getting the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act reauthorized and that will actually, I think, help create more market certainty as we kind of move out of what is going on with all of the tariffs and all of that kind of economic uncertainty. This will just create some much better market certainty for businesses for the next 10 years. Holy cow.

Rey Treviño III [00:29:26] You have, you are on it. I mean, you guys with America’s prosperity, you know, as Texas is energy dominant, you know America’s energy secure, right? Look at you. I know, I thought about that. I was like, I can’t really use that for this episode. With a tagline, but you continue to truly allow Texas to be the number one state and then the rest of America follows.

Genevieve Collins [00:29:54] I mean, I know that your listeners are spread all over the country. But as a seventh generation Texan, I have to be honest. I know there’s 49 other states, but I only think that one really matters.

Rey Treviño III [00:30:11] Well, it’s fun, you know, I get some people sometimes that I know and I’m like, Oh, I’m just hearing the great St. Texas and like, I can’t call it an order.

Genevieve Collins [00:30:19] I mean, you could. Yeah. I’d like to say that I’m consistently annoying like every other Texan. You know, like I believe that Texas should be the crown jewel of our country. It needs to be the beacon of light, the beacon of freedom, the place where opportunity comes to thrive and where prosperity can be for anybody, right? And I think that that’s in the DNA of our state. It’s, you know, I’ve been to almost every state. I’ve not felt that when I was in Nebraska, for example, no offense to people in Nebraska. But I feel like Texas, it’s so big, we have 30 million people, we’re only going to continue to grow. Every other state needs a place, needs a state to look towards. And I think that for us, Texas will be the seventh largest economy. We’re going to have our own stock exchange starting next year. We have a thriving energy sector, we have a thriving technology sector, we have more financial services jobs in Texas than New York City.

Rey Treviño III [00:31:26] That’s right, we do.

Genevieve Collins [00:31:27] So we need Texas to work. The country needs Texas to work and our allies and countries around them around the world need Texas to work too.

Rey Treviño III [00:31:36] Well, Genevieve, I cannot thank you again. I know, you know, you being eight and a half months and good luck because as the day we record, you’re testifying today. Yes. Give them hell. I will, I promise. For those out there who want to get involved because, well, before I wrap up, I want to say this, that you’re all’s grassroots last year during the election period is what helped make this session go very smooth. So for those out there that want to help make that change, want to make a difference, how do they get in contact with Americans for Prosperity and get involved?

Genevieve Collins [00:32:15] Yeah, so our website is called freedom is bigger dot com. Freedomisbigger.com. On that on our website, you can sign up to become an ambassador and to join our movement. You can sign petitions. This is a really big and key component of how our how we work here in Austin, we bring petitions from across the state that we can identify, you know, your voice with that your specific legislator and connect you They need to know at scale what their community feels. You can sign a petition on energy, on property tax reform, on healthcare, on education, on immigration and border security. So please go sign a petition. We don’t sell your information or anything like that. But we do make sure that your legislators know who you are and that you care. Sometimes they just are so disconnected from their own communities that I like to say. We will help bring your community to you, Mr. Or Ms. Legislator. So go to our website, freedomisbigger.com. Follow us on Twitter at TexasAFP. Follow me on Twitter, at GCollinsTX.

Rey Treviño III [00:33:28] Well, Genevieve, thank you so much. I’m so glad we were able to do this episode here in Austin. Me too, thank-you. And good luck. And I’ll have to hopefully see you again sooner than later. Indeed. And to all the listeners out there, thank you as always. Got any questions for Genevive or the team at America’s Prosperity? Let me know. Reach out to them. They’re making a positive impact and allowing Texas to only continue to prosper. We’ll see you, again. Thank you.

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